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Crossing the Line? Planetary Boundaries, Ocean Governance, and Earth’s Tipping Points

Prof. Katherine Richardson

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I've mentioned planetary boundaries many, many times before. It gives us a very important framework to think or map the future. Today, I have the chance, the opportunity, to discuss with Professor Katherine Richardson, one of the authors of the publications on it. We'll discuss that aspect publication, which is very important in the scientific literature.

Chapitre 1 : Introduction 
Chapitre 2 : Planetary Boundaries

Chapitre 3 : Personal questions 

 

URL pour les notes de l'épisode : https://www.podcastics.com/podcast/episode/crossing-the-line-planetary-boundaries-ocean-governance-and-earths-tipping-points-403697/

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Chapitre 1 : Introduction 

[0:00:32] Katherine, can you introduce yourself ? 

[0:01:54] Can you explain what the High Seas treaty is ? 

High Seas treaty : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Seas_Treaty

[0:05:02] The goal of the treaty is to make sure that we get enough of this high sea, dedicated to preservation. Is that correct ? 

[0:06:35] Is deep sea mining a problem in itself ?

[0:09:33] Some places on earth deserve more attention, which ones ? 

Chapitre 2 : Planetary Boundaries 

[0:14:31] What is life? 

[0:15:45] Can you comment on one of your quotes ? 

“Every time life has found a new energy source to exploit, there has been absolute chaos”

[0:18:08] Could you tell me what happened twelve thousand years ago ? 

[0:26:29] The ocean is also a CO2 buffer, could you tell us more about this ? 

[0:30:47] Some people say we are not in the holocene anymore. You established a framework of planetary boundaries. Can you tell us the story behind the first paper on planetary boundaries ? 

Planetary boundaries : https://www.stockholmresilience.org/research/planetary-boundaries.html

First paper : https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=da&user=xj1ssPIAAAAJ&citation_for_view=xj1ssPIAAAAJ:cFHS6HbyZ2cC

[0:43:20] How easy was it to get the paper accepted ? 

Second paper : https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=da&user=xj1ssPIAAAAJ&citation_for_view=xj1ssPIAAAAJ:L7CI7m0gUJcC

Third paper : https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=da&user=xj1ssPIAAAAJ&citation_for_view=xj1ssPIAAAAJ:37UQlXuwjP4C

[0:47:36] In the first two papers, you greyed out 2 of the 9 planetary boundaries because they were not assessed with sufficient precision. How were those boundaries defined? Why were 7 of them assessed while the other 2 were not? And why were they considered insufficiently precautionary at that time? 

[0:56:03] Can planetary boundaries be exceeded? What is your perspective on the apparent lack of concern about surpassing these limits? Why do people tend to wait for consequences to materialize before taking action?

[0:59:35] Can you elaborate on the biodiversity dimension and how it is measured, both in terms of biosphere integrity and climate change? What is the difference between these two aspects?

[1:08:45] Land-system change remains poorly understood, yet it is considered a primary lever for achieving the Paris Agreement targets. How does it contribute to this objective? Could you elaborate and provide some examples?

Paris Agreement : https://unfccc.int/fr/a-propos-des-ndcs/l-accord-de-paris

World CO2 emissions per year : https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions

[1:13:13] Freshwater is also essential to life. How did freshwater become recognized as a planetary boundary when it was previously considered a local issue?

[1:18:36] What is a boundary ? Can we go back under a safe operating zone ? Could you explain that ? 

[1:23:22] Is access to metals considered a planetary boundary? Why or why not?

Chapitre 3 : Personal questions 

[1:24:43] Which questions about your work have been the most challenging or difficult to address? How do you typically handle them?

[1:28:34] Imagine that you can write a message to many students at the same time. What would be that message ?

 

 

Remerciements :
Emilie Malcourant
Monxage
LLL
UCLouvain
Louis Gayina

 

 

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Bonjour Francesco. Passionnant exposé. Surtout lors que Prof. Katherine Richardson établit un parallèle entre https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grande_Oxydation et notre situation actuelle dans laquelle beaucoup de "déchets" de notre civilisation ne font pas partie du système terre actuel. Il est à noté que cette grande oxydation est de loin antérieure au 5 "https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction_massive". Nous serions entré dans la 6ème. Par ailleurs, lors de l'interview, elle met en avant la récente et incomprise accélération de la dérive climatique. Par hasard, je suis tombé sur une possible explication scientifique qui serait : https://www.futura-sciences.com/planete/actualites/meteo-nina-na-pas-refroidi-comme-prevu-bascule-vers-el-nino-declenche-effet-boomerang-revele-etude-131709/ . Bonne soirée. Vincent Minon

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A comprehensive and very interesting view on the challenges imposed by the human activities on the earth. This podcast raises two remarks.
Can the planet boundaries be approximately drawn before the industrial revolution (e.g. in 1850) as a reference state in order to quantify the today deviation of each indicator ?
Although average values are interesting indicators, they cannot depict completely complex situations. For instance, reference is often made to the increase in the average atmospheric temperature with no attention paid to the standard deviation. Actually the local differences in temperature are responsible for the differences in atmospheric pressure which cause strong winds and tornados, and for the migration of humid air to cold zones where intense rains take place. The imbalances inside the sub-systems and between the sub-systems are the governing factors of the major disasters.

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