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Dare to dream as a leader again | with Jo Saxton

Desperation for God is grounds for hope.

Season 8, episode 169
47 min / Published

Stephanie welcomes Jo Saxton to discuss issues of leadership, and the general feeling from many leaders today of being overwhelmed, overburdened, and maybe even on the deep end of burnout. What happens when you don’t show up for your calling, because you are too busy or burned out to step into the fullness of it? And what does it look like to be faithful with what we have been given – for the long run? We discuss the perfect storm we have traversed and where we are today. Jo brings wisdom, encouragement, truth and brutal sincerity. She shares her own survival tips and how to thrive in the desperate times we have traversed. She is humble and honest - and Stephanie deeply appreciates that!

What about the idea that we should haved our act together inthis day and age and should know exactly what to do these days as if we were perfect? As leaders, most of us have more responsibilities than ever — often in BOTH our personal lives and our professional lives. And, yet, many of us might feel like imposters even as the growing responsibilities continue. Many of us might be ignoring, downplaying, or shelving our God-given abilities, influence, gifts, and dreams. Many of us would not consider ourselves to be influential — even though we are impacting so many others for the good. Many of us don’t live beyond our own narratives of what we believe to be true about ourselves. Many of us would feel uncomfortable with the word “leader” — even as we guide our families and teams.

Desperation for God is grounds for hope. Jo shares her own passion to delight in God and how it has been her anchor and survival technique.

 You can also watch the live video of the conversation on our YouTube channel, and make sure to subscribe: 


Jo Saxton is a speaker, podcaster,  author, guest TV host and leadership coach. She hosts a digital coaching community and is the founder of the Ezer Collective,two initiatives dedicated to investing in women leaders around the world, equipping them to own their voice, and boldly step into their calling.

Born to Nigerian parents and raised in London,England,Jo now lives in Minneapolis with  her husband and two daughters. She loves the everyday stuff like good music, good food, and good friends.And Target. She really, really loves Target.


Twitter/Insta/Linked In - @josaxton

Facebook: josaxton1




Many women know they were created and commissioned to lead, but they are often left feeling stuck, overlooked, and limited. After working directly with thousands of women and evaluating my own experiences, here are a few reasons why women in leadership struggle (even in a supportive, encouraging organizational culture):

·         Leadership simply wasn't the primary path for women in previous generations, so we don't always have accessible role models to illuminate our path forward.

·         With the realities of family life — marriage and/or children — a woman's career path is rarely linear. Statistically, it's more likely that a woman will have to take an extended leave from work. This is a unique challenge for women to navigate as they often return to greet a new environment at work with more responsibilities at home. Even if you have a supportive male leader, he can't and won't understand how to navigate the challenges and realities of leadership as a woman.

·         What's expected from women in society, what women are allowed to do in your organization or industry, and what's required of women outside of work, requires different tools, different practices, and a different process for women to develop their leadership.


No leader thrives alone. We all need some help along the way!

Studies show that even as women rise to leadership in the workplace and the community, they still carry most of the responsibilities in the rest of their lives — from parenting to household management to supporting relational connections among family members. This produces a mental load so heavy that it can lead to fractured relationships, disillusionment, and burnout. 

If you want to thrive as a leader, you need your support crew.

In fact, the highest performers in most industries, sports, or life have a coach or mentor. Finding a coach who can mentor you and share their experiences is an excellent investment in your life and your leadership. 

I understand because I've been there.

I know what it’s like to feel and to be told I can’t lead, to be told to wait your turn, to not know what’s next, to hope for an opportunity to contribute in a way that leverages your passion and maximizes your potential. However, I also know how great it feels to have someone believe in me, give of themselves to mentor me, and put their reputation on the line to open up doors for me.

I want to help you rise.

Jo Saxton Leadership Coaching is an online, group leadership coaching program and community designed to help amazing women own and accelerate their development as leaders at work and at home.

My goal is to give you and the women in your organization wings to soar to new places and cheer you on every step of the way.

As a member of the coaching program, you'll get access to a live, video session every Tuesday featuring:

·         Two-hour live coaching session, hosted by me!

·         Mentor interviews from diverse, leading voices 

·         Tactical workshops with expert guests 

·         Virtual community meetups

·         And more!

You’ll also be able to view or listen to every session on your own schedule within our private, online community — exclusively for members of the coaching program.


We invite you to check out the first episode of each of our series, and decide which one you will want to start with.

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God's glory, our delight 



Delighting in the glory of God. Does this concept strike you as reserved for spiritual contemplatives? What if, instead, it proved the highly practical, deeply foundational perspective you need right now?

Why does God’s glory even matter in our day and age? How can we learn from Jesus to make His glory our true North and lifelong quest? What keeps us from fully stepping into this God-ordained purpose for our life? How do we kindle delight for God on a daily basis? And, once we have embraced God’s glory as our heart’s true delight, how can we then come alongside others?

Join us to cultivate a sincere delight for God’s glory, rooted in an honest, hard look at the depth of our need, and in the much deeper Reality of His grace. Trace the glory of God through Scripture and in your own life. Behold the exact radiance of God’s glory, revealed in Jesus. Learn to see yourself as Christ does—through the lens of the Father’s love at the cross. Jesus offers to overwhelm our deadly self-centeredness with His resurrection power. He carries us every step of the way, even as He calls us to true humility on the path to glory.

Who has time to cultivate the delight that comes from pondering the glory of God? And yet, nothing could be more urgent today. Marthas and Marys, Peters and Johns—we are all invited to dare to dream of a lifestyle of God-centered delight. Nothing could be more practical.

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